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Dear Mendel, thank you for inviting me to continue our dialogue in this space.

There's clearly deep care and intention behind your work, and I appreciate how sincerely you're exploring the role of subjective expression in healing. A few thoughts surfaced while reading that I offer not in critique, but as part of an ongoing inquiry we might be sharing.

Authenticity and sincerity do seem essential when healing from what we've thought; when the mind begins to question its own conditioning, its own conclusions. And perhaps music, when it is not trying to achieve or impress, can touch something far more direct than interpretation.

But I wonder about the phrase "projecting our own meaning into music". If the music expresses something truly beyond thought - beyond belief or interpretation - then is meaning something to be projected at all? Or can the listener just listen, without the need to extract, explain, or apply?

That leads to another question around creativity. When we speak of improvisation, ritual, or even scientific composition methods, are these not still forms of process? And is process, even when novel, still the known? We often speak of spontaneity as the mark of creativity, but if it follows a pattern, a memory, a learned response, is it still truly creative? Or is it an echo of something already absorbed and rehearsed?

In that sense, maybe we must be careful not to name the structure of the work as the source of its creativity. Whether ritual or random, a method may still conform to what has already been. And if we are truly exploring authenticity, perhaps we must ask whether that quality can be summoned at all. Or only allowed when the self steps aside.

The same could be asked about psychedelic therapy. Is it an encounter with something that ends thought, or does it operate within the field of thinking, belief, and identity? If experience becomes the focus, does that not reinforce a reality that still moves within imagination and memory, even if it feels novel?

Many traditions speak of the "unconscious" as the source of creativity. But do we really know what that word means? Is it a fact, or a placeholder for what we haven't yet looked at directly? When art is described as paradox, do we illuminate something, or return to metaphor and mystery, when perhaps clarity is available?

And one last thing. If listening becomes participatory, is it still listening? The moment identity enters, is there not already a subtle interpretation at work? Can thought listen? Or must it fall completely quiet for there to be any real contact?

All this to say: I fully resonate with your sense that music carries something primal, immediate, beyond language and symbol. And that this may be essential. But perhaps what allows us to hear that movement is not adding process or projection, but quieting the whole machinery of becoming.

In that space, something real might be heard.

I'll also share this in my feed to invite more visibility and attention to the topic.

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